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	<title>Comments on: Home taping is killing music</title>
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		<title>By: Radiocafé</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8269</link>
		<author>Radiocafé</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8269</guid>
		<description>Well said, chaps.  

I, too, am digitising my collection, although I'm using ATRAC 256, the betamax of digital recording.  The sound quality is amazing on a first generation Sony MP3 - a player which did not even play MP3s and which is, in my opnion, the best music player ever made.  Why?  Here are a few reasons:

- The Sony NW-HD1 connects to the hifi by a dedicated line-out setting (not the earphone setting) and quality is much improved, and sounds much louder. 
- I have hooked it up in the car to an old Sony head unit bought for £5 off eBay and I can select all albums and tracks direct from the head unit.  No silly FM transmitters required.  Sound quality is perfect.  It will also display track and album info.
- The unit it is made out of solid magnesium, never again seen on a player as it is too costly to manufacture.  Sony subsequently made their players out of cheaper materails such as aluminium.
- Over 20 hours battery life. Battery is easy enough to replace, but after 5 years usage the original is still going strong.
- 20gb hard drive, ATRAC compression using lower memory it is the equivalent of 40gb using MP3.  
- Came with its own docking station.
- It has a full readout remote control but you don't need it as all the controls are in the right place so you can operate through your trousers when in your pocket, and all with one hand.
- It is smaller than a credit card and the lightest unit of this size.
- Has a good graphic equaliser for removing hiss from the transferred cassettes, if needed.
- It just focuses on playing music, with no distracing applications.  "Apps", in my opinion, are like putting cushions on the recaro seats of your BMW - unnecessary.

So good the Sony is, that I have bought 12 of these units, mostly for £30 or less, off eBay! These suit me, as I have no interest in downloading music but for those who do, the unit's firmware was upgraded to allow MP3s to be played. 

But even these do not allow me the flexibility to record a show in the kitchen and then play it in the bedroom, quite as the cassette did.  I'm slowly transferring all my cassettes onto the Sony units, but I suspect people these days just don't record off the radio any more, even though in theory it should be a doddle.  Or perhaps (Solar Radio and Jazz FM aside) there is just little worth recording these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, chaps.  </p>
<p>I, too, am digitising my collection, although I&#8217;m using ATRAC 256, the betamax of digital recording.  The sound quality is amazing on a first generation Sony MP3 - a player which did not even play MP3s and which is, in my opnion, the best music player ever made.  Why?  Here are a few reasons:</p>
<p>- The Sony NW-HD1 connects to the hifi by a dedicated line-out setting (not the earphone setting) and quality is much improved, and sounds much louder.<br />
- I have hooked it up in the car to an old Sony head unit bought for £5 off eBay and I can select all albums and tracks direct from the head unit.  No silly FM transmitters required.  Sound quality is perfect.  It will also display track and album info.<br />
- The unit it is made out of solid magnesium, never again seen on a player as it is too costly to manufacture.  Sony subsequently made their players out of cheaper materails such as aluminium.<br />
- Over 20 hours battery life. Battery is easy enough to replace, but after 5 years usage the original is still going strong.<br />
- 20gb hard drive, ATRAC compression using lower memory it is the equivalent of 40gb using MP3.<br />
- Came with its own docking station.<br />
- It has a full readout remote control but you don&#8217;t need it as all the controls are in the right place so you can operate through your trousers when in your pocket, and all with one hand.<br />
- It is smaller than a credit card and the lightest unit of this size.<br />
- Has a good graphic equaliser for removing hiss from the transferred cassettes, if needed.<br />
- It just focuses on playing music, with no distracing applications.  &#8220;Apps&#8221;, in my opinion, are like putting cushions on the recaro seats of your BMW - unnecessary.</p>
<p>So good the Sony is, that I have bought 12 of these units, mostly for £30 or less, off eBay! These suit me, as I have no interest in downloading music but for those who do, the unit&#8217;s firmware was upgraded to allow MP3s to be played. </p>
<p>But even these do not allow me the flexibility to record a show in the kitchen and then play it in the bedroom, quite as the cassette did.  I&#8217;m slowly transferring all my cassettes onto the Sony units, but I suspect people these days just don&#8217;t record off the radio any more, even though in theory it should be a doddle.  Or perhaps (Solar Radio and Jazz FM aside) there is just little worth recording these days?</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8268</link>
		<author>nick</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8268</guid>
		<description>yeah i loved minidisc on it's initial lauch! went out &#38; bought a sony md recorder for my separates sytem - the unfortunate thing was that cdr recorders were also launched very soon afterwards &#38; my interest was always to be able to edit tracks to my liking &#38; make a cd.....this was finally becoming a reality &#38; although it took a while to learn how to do it, it was so worth it......the minidisc recorder never stood a chance after that! had there still been no internet then i'd have minidisc in the car &#38; home as prime sources of music! still find it shocking &#38; sad how quickly almost all of the hifi separates systems largely became unwanted as mp3 became king! forget all those awful 128kbps early encodings, now it's easy to make very very good 256kbps mp3's encoded from cd's or file shared flac's - for those that want the best just keep the flac files!! i struggle to hear the difference though &#38; i'm talking about albums i've known intimately for many years now listened to through a mighty logitech Z2300 2.1 speaker system fed by a state of the art quad core pc! albums like al stewarts "year of the cat" for example - yes it sounds better than ever! i'll always mourn the passing of cassette tapes but i love the digital age too &#38; as mentioned in an earlier post having all my music from over the years now all in one place with instant access - i couldn't even consider going back to analogue - even old analog recordings i made long ago sound better than ever on here!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah i loved minidisc on it&#8217;s initial lauch! went out &amp; bought a sony md recorder for my separates sytem - the unfortunate thing was that cdr recorders were also launched very soon afterwards &amp; my interest was always to be able to edit tracks to my liking &amp; make a cd&#8230;..this was finally becoming a reality &amp; although it took a while to learn how to do it, it was so worth it&#8230;&#8230;the minidisc recorder never stood a chance after that! had there still been no internet then i&#8217;d have minidisc in the car &amp; home as prime sources of music! still find it shocking &amp; sad how quickly almost all of the hifi separates systems largely became unwanted as mp3 became king! forget all those awful 128kbps early encodings, now it&#8217;s easy to make very very good 256kbps mp3&#8217;s encoded from cd&#8217;s or file shared flac&#8217;s - for those that want the best just keep the flac files!! i struggle to hear the difference though &amp; i&#8217;m talking about albums i&#8217;ve known intimately for many years now listened to through a mighty logitech Z2300 2.1 speaker system fed by a state of the art quad core pc! albums like al stewarts &#8220;year of the cat&#8221; for example - yes it sounds better than ever! i&#8217;ll always mourn the passing of cassette tapes but i love the digital age too &amp; as mentioned in an earlier post having all my music from over the years now all in one place with instant access - i couldn&#8217;t even consider going back to analogue - even old analog recordings i made long ago sound better than ever on here!!</p>
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		<title>By: Les Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8243</link>
		<author>Les Adams</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8243</guid>
		<description>I was a big fan and user of the minidisc and was the first DJ to perform entire live sets in clubs using it (A Denon DN-M2300R). However, one big drawback is that eventually - and I am talking months of fairly heavy use, not years, the lazer mechanisms wear out and are very expensive to replace, assuming you can get the parts. They also have to be repaired by a technician in a service department. I no longer use Minidisc and have returned to CD(R)'s for my live DJ sets and use a PC with a 1 Tetrabyte hard drive for studio / radio work and storing all my music. Of course any drive will eventually wear out, but at £70 for a 1T drive that can be replaced in seconds it is in the long run, a much cheaper and more serviceable option. The future is solid state memory I believe. in theory, it should never fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a big fan and user of the minidisc and was the first DJ to perform entire live sets in clubs using it (A Denon DN-M2300R). However, one big drawback is that eventually - and I am talking months of fairly heavy use, not years, the lazer mechanisms wear out and are very expensive to replace, assuming you can get the parts. They also have to be repaired by a technician in a service department. I no longer use Minidisc and have returned to CD(R)&#8217;s for my live DJ sets and use a PC with a 1 Tetrabyte hard drive for studio / radio work and storing all my music. Of course any drive will eventually wear out, but at £70 for a 1T drive that can be replaced in seconds it is in the long run, a much cheaper and more serviceable option. The future is solid state memory I believe. in theory, it should never fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8238</link>
		<author>Sheila Brown</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8238</guid>
		<description>I treasure my tapes of Alan Dell's Dance Band Days and the Dance Band shows from BBC Radio Essex.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8151</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8151</guid>
		<description>The minidisc should have been the future. Apart from being sonically superior to mp3, it was so convenient and more robust than the compact cassette. I can't grab an mp3 from my ipod at will and pass it to a friend. I have to go home and burn it to disc or attach it to an email. The only reason why we are now using a less portable, sonically inferior and aesthetically devoid medium is that it costs the music industry far less to produce and they've managed to convince us that it's for our benefit. Well it's a good job more people are increasing vinyl production because I will buy vinyl before CD if it's available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The minidisc should have been the future. Apart from being sonically superior to mp3, it was so convenient and more robust than the compact cassette. I can&#8217;t grab an mp3 from my ipod at will and pass it to a friend. I have to go home and burn it to disc or attach it to an email. The only reason why we are now using a less portable, sonically inferior and aesthetically devoid medium is that it costs the music industry far less to produce and they&#8217;ve managed to convince us that it&#8217;s for our benefit. Well it&#8217;s a good job more people are increasing vinyl production because I will buy vinyl before CD if it&#8217;s available.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8072</link>
		<author>Dave C</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8072</guid>
		<description>All this makes for interesting reading - going back to the original post, I would have to disagree with the final point made with MP3s and the 'iPod Generation'. By all means, the infinite ability to reproduce MP3s and any other digital format may well have led to a proliferation in music piracy and at a first glance it has hurt the music industry severely.

Having said that, it is not all that different from the tape recordings talked about. Its a simple case of reproducing music free of charge and passing this around. The key difference is converting what is essentially 'viral marketing' into sales or some form of revenue for artists. I think the argument (correct me if I am wrong!) is that the ease with which MP3s can be reproduced has devalued music and the listening experience (Digitising music has certainly taken out a lot of the aesthetic side of music which is a shame in itself).

However, speaking from personal experience I would say that file sharing has opened up my ears to a huge variety of music which I would no doubt have taken a punt on otherwise and has definitely led to this 'conversion' into sales for artists. In particular, as a student I was not prepared to purchase albums (I simply didn't have the funds to justify it!) but the ability to download, share, talk and think about an enormous range of music that would otherwise have passed me by has allowed me to develop far wider interests and purchase albums from those I would never have contemplated before. On a number of occasions, I have gone full circle and bought music I originally downloaded! (this is particularly true with albums which are 'growers'). A try before you buy, if you will.

Perhaps I'm being idealistic? Nevertheless, I do not think the iPod generation should be written off too quickly. And if like me, people are developing a wider taste in music at the same time then all the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this makes for interesting reading - going back to the original post, I would have to disagree with the final point made with MP3s and the &#8216;iPod Generation&#8217;. By all means, the infinite ability to reproduce MP3s and any other digital format may well have led to a proliferation in music piracy and at a first glance it has hurt the music industry severely.</p>
<p>Having said that, it is not all that different from the tape recordings talked about. Its a simple case of reproducing music free of charge and passing this around. The key difference is converting what is essentially &#8216;viral marketing&#8217; into sales or some form of revenue for artists. I think the argument (correct me if I am wrong!) is that the ease with which MP3s can be reproduced has devalued music and the listening experience (Digitising music has certainly taken out a lot of the aesthetic side of music which is a shame in itself).</p>
<p>However, speaking from personal experience I would say that file sharing has opened up my ears to a huge variety of music which I would no doubt have taken a punt on otherwise and has definitely led to this &#8216;conversion&#8217; into sales for artists. In particular, as a student I was not prepared to purchase albums (I simply didn&#8217;t have the funds to justify it!) but the ability to download, share, talk and think about an enormous range of music that would otherwise have passed me by has allowed me to develop far wider interests and purchase albums from those I would never have contemplated before. On a number of occasions, I have gone full circle and bought music I originally downloaded! (this is particularly true with albums which are &#8216;growers&#8217;). A try before you buy, if you will.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being idealistic? Nevertheless, I do not think the iPod generation should be written off too quickly. And if like me, people are developing a wider taste in music at the same time then all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8018</link>
		<author>Nick</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-8018</guid>
		<description>yes! you just know by looking at the usb turntables that they have no more than a nasty ceramic cartridge on the end of the pick up! i transferred my tape collection with a lovely pioneer early 80's cassette deck from a boot sale! £5 was duly paid for it - i took it home, total strip down new belts &#038; pinch roller &#038; a good clean! it came up like new &#038; playback was a lot better than i expected, everything was recorded on my technics seperates system during the 80's &#038; 90's on decent chrome cassettes resulting in mostly amazing transfers which i wanted as many records were borrowed from dj's etc making the recordings precious to me at least! lol &#038; do you remember the terrible complation albums where they squeezed as many (often edited down) tracks onto each side of the record? tiny grooves, very low output to the cartridge limited dynamic range etc - you had to push the recording levels up to max just to get a recordable signal! those were the days i must have spent hours &#038; hours recording back then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes! you just know by looking at the usb turntables that they have no more than a nasty ceramic cartridge on the end of the pick up! i transferred my tape collection with a lovely pioneer early 80&#8217;s cassette deck from a boot sale! £5 was duly paid for it - i took it home, total strip down new belts &#038; pinch roller &#038; a good clean! it came up like new &#038; playback was a lot better than i expected, everything was recorded on my technics seperates system during the 80&#8217;s &#038; 90&#8217;s on decent chrome cassettes resulting in mostly amazing transfers which i wanted as many records were borrowed from dj&#8217;s etc making the recordings precious to me at least! lol &#038; do you remember the terrible complation albums where they squeezed as many (often edited down) tracks onto each side of the record? tiny grooves, very low output to the cartridge limited dynamic range etc - you had to push the recording levels up to max just to get a recordable signal! those were the days i must have spent hours &#038; hours recording back then!</p>
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		<title>By: Radiocafé</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7975</link>
		<author>Radiocafé</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7975</guid>
		<description>Very interesting, Nick.  Yes, these days the cassette mechanisms that are being peddled to transfer your tapes are truly awful.  No idea why people fall for the ion usb confidence trick, (they've done the same for vinyl transfers too), as the best way to get cassette or vinyl on to your PC is direct from your system amp. Much better to spend £30 or so on a decent used Yamaha deck. I use the audio in socket on my PC but if you want to go further there are plenty of dedicated units around to allow you to connect up your hi fi to the best possible quality.  I record to the PC from a 1976 TDK KD10 tape deck, a brilliant piece of KIT.  Most of the radio sound clips on Radiocafe were originally recorded on this unit back in the 1980s, and soon to come will be 60 or so pirate radio shows from that era.

The days of the Nakamichi sets and the early portable stereo units were fantastic. I had a couple of Aiwa portables, first one in 1982 when I was 12, and the sound was brilliant.  Not as flexibile or perhaps as clean a sound as today's MP3 players, but arguably much, much more exciting back then. The availability of fewer releases, ability to make your own mix tapes, and fantastically engineered products really made this era of technology unique. Visiting a hifi shop or record shop back then was so much more satisfying than trawling through iTunes or going off to Curry's to buy an MP3 player and plastic dock.  In my opinion, that is, or perhaps I am just getting old...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, Nick.  Yes, these days the cassette mechanisms that are being peddled to transfer your tapes are truly awful.  No idea why people fall for the ion usb confidence trick, (they&#8217;ve done the same for vinyl transfers too), as the best way to get cassette or vinyl on to your PC is direct from your system amp. Much better to spend £30 or so on a decent used Yamaha deck. I use the audio in socket on my PC but if you want to go further there are plenty of dedicated units around to allow you to connect up your hi fi to the best possible quality.  I record to the PC from a 1976 TDK KD10 tape deck, a brilliant piece of KIT.  Most of the radio sound clips on Radiocafe were originally recorded on this unit back in the 1980s, and soon to come will be 60 or so pirate radio shows from that era.</p>
<p>The days of the Nakamichi sets and the early portable stereo units were fantastic. I had a couple of Aiwa portables, first one in 1982 when I was 12, and the sound was brilliant.  Not as flexibile or perhaps as clean a sound as today&#8217;s MP3 players, but arguably much, much more exciting back then. The availability of fewer releases, ability to make your own mix tapes, and fantastically engineered products really made this era of technology unique. Visiting a hifi shop or record shop back then was so much more satisfying than trawling through iTunes or going off to Curry&#8217;s to buy an MP3 player and plastic dock.  In my opinion, that is, or perhaps I am just getting old&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7949</link>
		<author>nick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7949</guid>
		<description>oh &#38; forgot to add: the dreadful cassette mechanisms that surfaced around 1984/5 &#38; are still used today in the aforemetioned ion usb decks were simply terrible in every way! gone were the huge oversized capstan flywheels, decent heads, internal wiring &#38; many other quality features - the early 80's was the golden age of cassette technology....even the portable stereo's had incredible quality tape mechs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh &amp; forgot to add: the dreadful cassette mechanisms that surfaced around 1984/5 &amp; are still used today in the aforemetioned ion usb decks were simply terrible in every way! gone were the huge oversized capstan flywheels, decent heads, internal wiring &amp; many other quality features - the early 80&#8217;s was the golden age of cassette technology&#8230;.even the portable stereo&#8217;s had incredible quality tape mechs!!</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7948</link>
		<author>nick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/talk/archives/77#comment-7948</guid>
		<description>yes a very interesting read!.....i had forgotton going to buy an album or 12" single &#38; being able to listen to it on a decent pair of sennheisers in our price with entusiastic staff never too busy to play anything you asked about! i remember shopping with my dad for classical records - we were ushered into a small listening room where the records were played through a decent 70's style hi-fi! i had a decent technics separates system with an extraordinarily good single cassette deck that made recordings that still sound good after ripping as wave files &#38; encoding in lame mp3 @ 256kbps - as for "home taping" we were all at it in the 70's &#38; 80's many songs were available only by doing so......great days all changed now &#38; it's not all bad - likke having everything in one place, instant access to any track or music video - anyway to sum up, i always loved (&#38; still do) the cassette format &#38; the way the manufacturers pushed the technology to the limit even as long ago as very early 1980's - out of all the various hi-fi components it was always the cassette deck i was interested in above all the other parts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes a very interesting read!&#8230;..i had forgotton going to buy an album or 12&#8243; single &amp; being able to listen to it on a decent pair of sennheisers in our price with entusiastic staff never too busy to play anything you asked about! i remember shopping with my dad for classical records - we were ushered into a small listening room where the records were played through a decent 70&#8217;s style hi-fi! i had a decent technics separates system with an extraordinarily good single cassette deck that made recordings that still sound good after ripping as wave files &amp; encoding in lame mp3 @ 256kbps - as for &#8220;home taping&#8221; we were all at it in the 70&#8217;s &amp; 80&#8217;s many songs were available only by doing so&#8230;&#8230;great days all changed now &amp; it&#8217;s not all bad - likke having everything in one place, instant access to any track or music video - anyway to sum up, i always loved (&amp; still do) the cassette format &amp; the way the manufacturers pushed the technology to the limit even as long ago as very early 1980&#8217;s - out of all the various hi-fi components it was always the cassette deck i was interested in above all the other parts!</p>
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